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It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. A mock-up for the British Railways Mark 2 stock was displayed at the Design Centre, 28 Haymarket, London, (the showrooms of the Council of Industrial Design) in 1964. GBR is not quite the same, so they no doubt want it to be seen as distinct; plus, it may not even be possible to call it BR, there might be legal implications (just a guess). Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. I really quite like that now. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. Nothing to bring it all together. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Bare minimum, low effort. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. But do we really want to go back to that? Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). Regional divisions will manage concession contracts, stations, infrastructure, and local and regional budgets, integrate track and train, and integrate rail with local transport services. Or the awful corporate blue BR? And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. It's good work (and the previous set). Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. The United Kingdom is defined clearly on the passport .. the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. The Great British Railway - and please, spare us the flag-waving - will incorporate Network Rail (renationalised in 2002 after privatised Railtrack collapsed), ticketing and awarding operator . Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. The history of British Rail's corporate liveries is quite complex. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. [citation needed]. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. You are using an out of date browser. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . How about that but the double arrow in red? What is of 2020s Britain then? | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. The current lot is an absolute mess. Messages: 1,398. There have also been subtle font changes. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. It's the name of the island ffs. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. Heh. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. The Overground operates under its own livery. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) GW 1 1 Great British Railways Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. The white paper does not specify whether the branding of devolved railways such as London Overground and Merseyrail will be affected.[7]. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. Swiss rail. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. Likes Received: 1,930. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Clearly "Great British Railways" does include a bit of "retro" in the manner than gWr does, for example. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard", This idea often seems to pop its head up. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. They were numbered in two series, D5500-D5699 and D5800-D5862. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . It looks like BR. Brunswick Green. 1948 -. It'll be operated quite differently. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Until the introduction of Mk1 catering vehicles in the late '50s, these trains had matching former GWR catering vehicles. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). It still has to look good decades from now. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. Blue despite being Express corridor stock red stripe does work, very similar to what Welsh... Design professional is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales persons opinion of a Great livery be... History of British Rail 's corporate liveries is quite complex middle days ; they were numbered in two series D5500-D5699! 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